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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://awfulpossibilities.com/archives/620/comment-page-1#comment-809</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>full agreement with both of your comments. i guess what i was trying to spin off from in my response to the first one was the way i&#039;ve been trying to negotiate the same problem you&#039;re describing, but i think your baby nostradamus shandy formulation illustrates it better than i was able to, at least for folks who&#039;ve read both of the books you&#039;re referencing. it&#039;s one of the reasons i wanted to teach tristram shandy (and gargantua and pantagruel and don quixote and candide, etc) alongside, for ex, jane austen -- to show that books like plascencia&#039;s aren&#039;t sui generis or an aberration but part of a tradition. to bring it back to film, i want to fault tarantino for shit he didn&#039;t even make but influenced, like 2 days in the valley (and i do, to some extent) or, i don&#039;t know, boondock saints?, but the best i can do is to point out where artists fit relationally as i see it in hopes folks will see how to build on a foundation they&#039;ve already got. tarantino makes it tough, i think because he&#039;s internalized the history but is still stuck in a kind of low-grade irony (as opposed to, you know, the premium irony?) which he sometimes transcends as if by accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>full agreement with both of your comments. i guess what i was trying to spin off from in my response to the first one was the way i&#8217;ve been trying to negotiate the same problem you&#8217;re describing, but i think your baby nostradamus shandy formulation illustrates it better than i was able to, at least for folks who&#8217;ve read both of the books you&#8217;re referencing. it&#8217;s one of the reasons i wanted to teach tristram shandy (and gargantua and pantagruel and don quixote and candide, etc) alongside, for ex, jane austen &#8212; to show that books like plascencia&#8217;s aren&#8217;t sui generis or an aberration but part of a tradition. to bring it back to film, i want to fault tarantino for shit he didn&#8217;t even make but influenced, like 2 days in the valley (and i do, to some extent) or, i don&#8217;t know, boondock saints?, but the best i can do is to point out where artists fit relationally as i see it in hopes folks will see how to build on a foundation they&#8217;ve already got. tarantino makes it tough, i think because he&#8217;s internalized the history but is still stuck in a kind of low-grade irony (as opposed to, you know, the premium irony?) which he sometimes transcends as if by accident.</p>
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		<title>By: jf</title>
		<link>http://awfulpossibilities.com/archives/620/comment-page-1#comment-807</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will say first, that I agree with how you read the film.  (I will go on to say that I watch films the way I read books, so you&#039;re not alone in that.  Unfortunately, my &quot;read the whole book in one sitting&quot; process, perfected in childhood, is more difficult these days.)

What I was saying, or trying to say, is that that thing that I admire and find most frustrating in Tarantino&#039;s work is that which I admire (and find most frustrating) in a lot of fairly contemporary art: the way with which influence is addressed.  The cleverest (at their best, for the time being) can form a world out of ideas they&#039;ve borrowed and somehow come up with something that&#039;s wildly itself, despite the homage(s).  It&#039;s not as though this is new.  (See Godard&#039;s Pierrot Le Fou, for instance, complete with Samuel Fuller.  Or Baby Nostradamus Shandy for that matter.) Nor are the the differences between &quot;homage&quot; and &quot;in the style of&quot; and &quot;lazy mimeograph,&quot; but QT&#039;s facility (and often brilliance) with homage has led to a kind of laziness that I&#039;ve come to dread so much that I had, until watching the movie in question, forgotten I could even LIKE a Tarantino film.  Which is funny, since I&#039;ve enjoyed all of them.  Immensely.

At this point in time and technology with all that is available to pretty much anyone, it&#039;s impossible to deny influence, but what one does and is capable of doing with them are strange beasts that far fewer can master.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will say first, that I agree with how you read the film.  (I will go on to say that I watch films the way I read books, so you&#8217;re not alone in that.  Unfortunately, my &#8220;read the whole book in one sitting&#8221; process, perfected in childhood, is more difficult these days.)</p>
<p>What I was saying, or trying to say, is that that thing that I admire and find most frustrating in Tarantino&#8217;s work is that which I admire (and find most frustrating) in a lot of fairly contemporary art: the way with which influence is addressed.  The cleverest (at their best, for the time being) can form a world out of ideas they&#8217;ve borrowed and somehow come up with something that&#8217;s wildly itself, despite the homage(s).  It&#8217;s not as though this is new.  (See Godard&#8217;s Pierrot Le Fou, for instance, complete with Samuel Fuller.  Or Baby Nostradamus Shandy for that matter.) Nor are the the differences between &#8220;homage&#8221; and &#8220;in the style of&#8221; and &#8220;lazy mimeograph,&#8221; but QT&#8217;s facility (and often brilliance) with homage has led to a kind of laziness that I&#8217;ve come to dread so much that I had, until watching the movie in question, forgotten I could even LIKE a Tarantino film.  Which is funny, since I&#8217;ve enjoyed all of them.  Immensely.</p>
<p>At this point in time and technology with all that is available to pretty much anyone, it&#8217;s impossible to deny influence, but what one does and is capable of doing with them are strange beasts that far fewer can master.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://awfulpossibilities.com/archives/620/comment-page-1#comment-794</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no doubt. and like i said, tarantino gets no passes from me. just keep in mind the (very well put) qualifiers you used:

&quot;a DV camera, a ziploc bag, and an ethnic friend&quot;

i think plenty of other folks have spawned as much bad art, since, for writers (i know you know this), your qualifiers could be (and always have been) boiled down to:

&quot;a pen and a piece of paper&quot;

we&#039;re getting to the point where every &quot;art form&quot; will be accessible to everyone. well and good. i hope to see new things come from all these possibilities. but i tend to think it&#039;s a plus that tarantino absorbed enough of his medium to be able to build on it like i see him doing in &lt;em&gt;...basterds&lt;/em&gt;, even if he sometimes uses his powers for evil (mediocrity or the suborning thereof). 

of course, i&#039;m also open to the possibility that i&#039;m reading this movie wrong, since i know you could totally school me on film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no doubt. and like i said, tarantino gets no passes from me. just keep in mind the (very well put) qualifiers you used:</p>
<p>&#8220;a DV camera, a ziploc bag, and an ethnic friend&#8221;</p>
<p>i think plenty of other folks have spawned as much bad art, since, for writers (i know you know this), your qualifiers could be (and always have been) boiled down to:</p>
<p>&#8220;a pen and a piece of paper&#8221;</p>
<p>we&#8217;re getting to the point where every &#8220;art form&#8221; will be accessible to everyone. well and good. i hope to see new things come from all these possibilities. but i tend to think it&#8217;s a plus that tarantino absorbed enough of his medium to be able to build on it like i see him doing in <em>&#8230;basterds</em>, even if he sometimes uses his powers for evil (mediocrity or the suborning thereof). </p>
<p>of course, i&#8217;m also open to the possibility that i&#8217;m reading this movie wrong, since i know you could totally school me on film.</p>
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		<title>By: jf</title>
		<link>http://awfulpossibilities.com/archives/620/comment-page-1#comment-793</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find equally worth noting is that Tarantino, more than anyone else I can think of outside of the abstract concept of &quot;writing poetry&quot; has spawned more bad art than anyone else by managing to make a world out of influences that seems so easy and tangible that any 20 year-old with a DV camera, a ziploc bag, and an ethnic friend thinks he can replicate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find equally worth noting is that Tarantino, more than anyone else I can think of outside of the abstract concept of &#8220;writing poetry&#8221; has spawned more bad art than anyone else by managing to make a world out of influences that seems so easy and tangible that any 20 year-old with a DV camera, a ziploc bag, and an ethnic friend thinks he can replicate it.</p>
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